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                    <text>Commentary

The McGill Daily, Monday, September 14, 2009

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Re: “Engineering Frosh is sexist” | Commentary | September 10

[The women in engineering] showed
me that there is no need to sacrifice
our interests or values in order to succeed in “the straight man’s club.”

Letters
No, Women’s Studies is sexist
Re: “Engineering Frosh is sexist” |
Commentary | September 10
As a recent (female) McGill
Engineering graduate, I took a special interest in the Hyde Park on the
topic of Engineering Frosh. I take
exception to the notion that “the
Faculty of Engineering introduces
itself to its female students as a
straight man’s club in which the way
to acceptance requires a woman to
sacrifice certain feminist values to
the ways of the dominant group.”
Throughout my time in Engineering,
I was introduced to a large, tight-knit
group of strong, intelligent, motivated women who would do credit
to the notion of gender equality.
They showed that there is no need
to sacrifice our interests or values
in order to succeed in the “straight
man’s club.” As for the men in the
faculty, at no time did I ever witness
any of the misogyny that these Frosh
songs supposedly encourage. I suppose the first-semester workload
beat these tendencies out of them.
The author’s opinion perpetuates the patently false idea that
women are not welcome in the
faculty. In fact, the faculty and its
student associations have been
making concerted efforts to
reach out to girls who might be

Kristina Huss BEng Mining Engineering 2008; EUS President 2007-2008

swayed against enrolling by this
exact opinion. Furthermore, the
prejudice that engineering, as a
male-dominated faculty, is automatically oppressive to women
is insulting to all members of the
faculty. Perhaps the author should
turn her attention to exposing
male oppression committed by
the Women’s Studies department.
Kristina Huss
BEng Mining Engineering 2008
EUS President 2007-2008

Masculinity! HU-AH!
Re: “Engineering Frosh is sexist” |
Commentary | September 10
An excerpt from the sacred
engineering song, Godiva’s Hymn:
The modern engineer
must be politically correct,
No more motors lubricating,
no more buildings rise erect,
No more electrical capacitors
whose plates are high and fair
Instead of problem solving
let’s just sit around and care.
Engineering! Moosehead!
Aggressive and Strong! HU-AH!
Lucas Kruitwagen
U2 Mechanical Engineering

The only important
Thing there is Love
Dearest One,
My name is Helen Kumba, I
am 26 years old girl in search of a
man who understands love as trust
and faith rather seeing it as a way
of fun always but a matured man
with sense of humor, so you should
also consider trying a new thing
by making a open avenue to meet
and know new people as this may
bring us a happy dream together.
I am interested in having a relationship with you, I will also like
to Know you the more, you can
send an email to my email address
(kumbahelen08@yahoo.com) so
that I can send you more details
about my self including my picture.
I believe we can move from here.
But bear in mind that Love has no
colours barrier, no educational back
ground barrier, no socio-economic
barrier, religious, language, nationality or distance barrier, the only
important Thing there is love. I
am waiting for your mail and a
brief information about you.
I believe we can start from
here. awaiting to hear from
you soon so I can send pics
for more introductions.
Kisses,

Really, I agree with you

Womyn helping women

Re: “Engineering Frosh is sexist” |
Commentary | September 10

Re: “Engineering Frosh is sexist” |
Commentary | September 10

I would like to express my
appreciation for the article entitled
“Engineering Frosh is sexist.” The
view that engineering should be
a “Boys’ Club,” held by an everdiminishing number of chauvinist
male engineers, has never received
such attention, and certainly
deserved the “boost” you have
given it. I’m sure that any female
student considering engineering
as a vocation will appreciate the
concise, all-encompassing review
of the treatment of women in engineering at McGill you have provided. Your commentary will most
certainly help to rectify the minority status of women in the Faculty of
Engineering, and as a single, male
engineer, I can’t thank you enough.

As one of these supposedly
degraded women in engineering,
what I find truly insulting and
marginalizing is not some silly
crude song with irrelevant gender pronouns (“A nickel-plated
bathtub s/he wanted / a golden
shower s/he got!”), but Sarah’s
misguided notion that we are
second-class citizens who have
been helpless until she heroically
stood up for our oppression.

Patrick Diez
U3 Electrical Engineering

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Engineering Frosh is not sexist
William Farrell

A

s I’m sure Sarah Mortimer
might have imagined (per
haps she even intended it!), there has been quite an
uproar over her September 10
article “Engineering Frosh is sexist.” Mortimer’s lack of journalistic etiquette is apparent: she
made absolutely no attempt to
contact an Engineering O-Week
Organizer or even the Engineering
Undergraduate Society prior to the
publication of her sensationalistic
article. As Vice President Internal
of the Engineering Undergraduate
Society and one of the organizers of
Engineering O-Week 2009, I would
like to address several of her accusations and assumptions, as well as
some larger issues I believe to be at
play in her article, although there’s
more I would like to say than I have
room for in this Hyde Park.
The first point I would like to raise
is in regard to her many assumptions

about women in engineering. After
speaking with several female engineers, including froshies and executives of Promoting Opportunities for
Women in Engineering (POWE), I
was unsurprised to hear that they
were very offended by Mortimer’s
claims.
Mortimer
perpetuates
the “victim status of women” by
implying that women are being
“oppressed” by these lyrics and are
not tough enough to have a voice in
this “strong, aggressive, male-dominated” field. I can certainly understand why they were so insulted by
such insinuations. If Mortimer had
done even the slightest amount
of research into her preposterous
claims, she would have soon discovered that the gender breakdown
in engineering is much closer to 60
males to 40 females, and in Chemical
Engineering, there is in fact a female
majority! Civil Engineering is approximately at parity. Her accusations do
nothing to encourage female participation in the field, but rather reinforce tired stereotypes.

An equally offensive claim
that Mortimer makes is that these
women engineers are ignorant of
their own oppression. She even
says in her article that the women
she spoke to enjoyed the songs and
were in no way offended by them.
Clearly, it takes a Cultural Studies
student to enlighten these engineering women to the misogyny
they have been subjected to without prior knowledge! I wonder if
it had occurred to her that women
engineers understand the song’s
true intent – not malice towards
women but rather comedy through
innuendo and unity through song.
She also seems to take an enormous leap of logic by declaring that
this song is about rape, when there
is absolutely no indication that it
depicts anything but consensual
relationships. This is not to mention the myriad verses where the
pronouns are often switched or are
in fact written about men walking
into the store. As a matter of fact, I
would hardly expect any sane per-

son to go out and carry out one of
the actions described in these verses upon hearing the song – such a
person would clearly be psychologically disturbed.
The larger societal issue I would
like to address is the suffocating political correctness prevalent here in the
university setting. Too many people
read too much into otherwise harmless activities and make issues where
there were none before. Instead of
worrying about silly things like songs,
jokes, and the spelling of words with
the letters M, A , and N in them, why
not focus on getting along, accepting
people for who they are and what
they believe? There is no need to
bastardize the English language and
stifle the free exchange of ideas (and
jokes!) to redress some perceived
injustice. Furthermore, it does a disservice to women everywhere, not
just in engineering, to imply that they
cannot decide for themselves what is
offensive to them.
Ultimately, what Mortimer has
done is to judge an entire faculty

on the basis of a single song, even
though that song is sung at every
faculty Frosh. It would be as if I
judged every “writer” on the basis
of Sarah’s opinion piece – an even
less flattering proposition. She
arbitrarily singled out engineering just because we happened to
be the Frosh to pass her by as she
was scrounging for a pseudo-issue
to write about. I’m sure that if she
actually took the time to talk to us
scary engineers, or even to get to
know us, she would find out that we
don’t bite… unless you’re into that,
of course. Misogyny and misandry
aside though, one last thing she did
really disappointed me – she left
out some of the best verses!

William Farrell is a U3 Civil Engineering student. He’s also Vice
President Internal of EUS and one
of the organizers of this year’s
Engineering Frosh, but the views
expressed. Write him at william.
farrell@mail.mcgill.ca.

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